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Unrivaled: My own personal rivals, the BYU Cougars

Back in 1989 through the early 90s I lived in Plano, Texas on a little side street, and was lucky enough to have three kids around my age living on either side of me- one boy I played video games with, the other two I played football with. They were Alec and Jay and they were big BYU fans- the fact that they were Mormon meant little to me at the time, other than that for some reason their mother didn't allow them to play ball with me on Sundays. Being raised as a devout little frog, we would often discuss the merits of our teams- the teams had played a home and home in '87-'88 and split the home games, so there was no real way of defining whose program was better- TCU had two national titles to BYU's one, but BYU had one that was in our young lifetimes. Still we argued about which school was better at least twice a week, despite my wise grandfather telling me "If TCU and BYU played ten times, I'd bet they'd both win five," to try to end our discussion, with no success. Finally the boys and I all moved away, they were off to Utah while I was just moving a few blocks away- and it was fortunate for me that they were gone- the demise of the SWC had thrown TCU and BYU into conference competition in the WAC, and it didn't go well for the guys in purple as BYU put a hurting on the frogs in both '96 and '97. After that we didn't see the cougars again until our surprise barnstorming of the Mountain West in '05, and we triumphed in a very odd and somewhat flukey seeming 51-50 game. For the next two years, BYU reasserted itself in the MWC pecking order winning the next two games in tight fashion- but BYU wasn't able to put itself into a BCS bowl to capitalize on their momentum, and Gary Patterson had had just about enough with losing to the boys from Provo...

So every day in the 2008 offseason our linemen saw BYU lined up against them. That has a way of motivating teams, and in '08 and '09 the helmets on the tackling dummies spurred our men on to greatness, blowing out really good BYU teams both years and our Rose Bowl team continued the good work against a more mediocre Mormon team, keeping them out of the end zone entirely (a recurring theme for that team). And so after BYU left the Mountain West the lifetime series was tied at five games apiece, just as my (now departed) grandfather had predicted those twenty years prior. And it seemed that despite our simmering hatred (and grudging mutual respect) that our budding rivalry would die- at least if Coach Patterson had anything to say about it. Then all of a sudden we were faced with a few surprise scheduling moves, from a screw you sendoff from our Mountain West friends to a bit of cowardice from our old friends out west (see you in Fort Worth next year, Techies) suddenly forced TCU's hand to somehow find a home game (or near enough) to help fill the surprising scheduling gap, and the match with BYU will give us a leader in the all-time series for the forseeable future- unless BYU manages to end up in the Big 12 with us as well. And though it seems unlikely that BYU will be gracing our schedules again anytime soon, a big part of me would rather play the men of Provo annually- how often in sports do you really find someone who can win five and lose five out of ten? My grandfather never told me what he thought would happen if we played BYU eleven times, but for the sake of my five year old self I sure hope it's a happy ending for the Frogs.

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Nine conference games in the Big 12, annual date with SMU pretty much a given- do you want to make room for an annual BYU game?
Yes, we make them our annual marquee Non-conference game
726 votes
No, now that we're in the Big 12 we don't need tough non-conference dates
61 votes

787 votes | Poll has closed

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Love this Rivalry

Great Article!

When TCU joined the MWC BYU had ONE, and only one, rival. Utah. Cougar fans respect Air Force and hate Wyoming but that’s not a rivalry. San Diego state and UNLV wanted to be rivals but they were more like little brothers that you chuckle at holding at arms length while they swing wildly.

Then came TCU. TCU has all the ingredients it takes to make a great rival for BYU.
 1. Great academics
 2. Football program with a storied history
 3. Coach who does things the right way
 4. Religion!

Nothing fires up the BYU faithful like religion. There is a reason that the BYU/Utah game is called the “Holy War”. Even though about half of Utah’s team are returned Mormon missionaries, and BYU is about 3/4, it is perceived by some as a jihad.

The BYU/TCU rivalry can trace it’s roots back to 1830’s when Sidney Rigdon and Parley P. Pratt, along with more than 3,000 of their Campbellite, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) adherents converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or “Mormonism” in Ohio.

I love TCU as a rival so much that I would take being seen less on ESPN for a chance to join the BIG-12 and keep the rivalry going.

by blueyedevil on Oct 27, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

TCU has religion, eh?

If you call beer religion, then, yes.

http://www.frogsowar.com

by Purple Wimple on Oct 27, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the religon comment. It is in the name, but

I took Study of Eastern Religons in Brite for my 3 hour religion credit and I am not even sure if that is required anymore.

blueyedevil,

You do realize that TCU is affiliated with the Disciples of Christ, not run or overseen by the Disciples of Christ and I would bet easily 75% of TCU’s student population has no clue on the affiliatino.

by davey o'brien on Oct 27, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

From a Former Cougar

I played for BYU in those ‘05-’07 games, and trust me, there is a rivalry there.

But I more so wanted to comment, because I got a kick out this article. Very well written! Great story!

Good luck tomorrow.

by Staffieri on Oct 27, 2011 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I realize the vote is overwhelming for us to keep the game, but

with the new conference there is no practical reason to keep it. Said to say, but money wins out and I would expect for us to see three non-conference games that we are favored to win.

Six wins in the current conference is a no brainer, but the Big XII is not nearly as easy top to bottom and will the number of bowl tie in’s accessible through the Big XII I think our record will become more important than some of our rivalries.

by davey o'brien on Oct 27, 2011 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Hate this freaking auto spell feature on my phone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That should be “sad to say” and “with the number of bowl tie in’s”.

by davey o'brien on Oct 27, 2011 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

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